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General Category => Videobox => General Discussion => Topic started by: jukejohn on October 23, 2013, 08:49:22 PM
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just out of interest what spec is the pc and hard drive size you using
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nice job
just out of interest what spec is the pc and hard drive size you using
Thank you
Just an old dell, Pentium D 2 gig ram, 160gb hdd, (4,5 yrs old approx.) its about quality not quantity for me, there's still bags of room, but ill end up down the external route I think. pc is just windows vanilla with shell, & video box auto starting.
I used older machine, that's more than serviceable, first sign of hassle ill hook up and deactivate pro and do another, it meets my needs and its 2,500 tracks and still smooth for me :) I did have it up to 10,000 but was not happy with layouts so more work is needed,
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the reason I ask noticed how fast your search was
very impressive fast but if at this time you using a 160gb then that's explains it vjb copes well with smaller drive collections
I have a 500gb with aprox 300gb mp3s and a small amount of video mp4 and my search results are like waiting for a bus aprox 15 to 20 secs
I do have vjb pro which I haven't used yet to try on a better pc when I get around to it
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I see
yes I would imagine a limit would start to get hit, but im loading mine with quality not quantity, thus it taking me longer, ie renaming tracks and using the fastest search. using the filename , which to me appear to have no limit for me and a good vanilla windows setup of course is always a good tip
for me its a very good out the box product, that does what is says on the tin :)
bare in mind this is my budget poor mans version,
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vanilla xp ??? ive used various custum xp and 7 over the years but not familiar with that set up please tell me more :)
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vanilla windows setup
in other words, not much on it, just the required files nothing more, bit like the xpe you was talking about somewhere.
lol its a tech term
vanilla Er Plain ?
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ok ill Google it might be useful 8)
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ok ill Google it might be useful 8)
Mmm may not help
right a vanilla set up for me means, just the required programs installed for what I need everything else has been stripped back by hand, so windows runs nice and fast and closes down fast, about 15 seconds, starts in 60s not ssd, so there's not much running in the back ground, stop as many pointless services as possible & no av or anything else to hog. thus a very vanilla plain set up of windows, making sure its fast ect the correct ms updates installed and .net ect ect, I used my own codecs but I know exactly what format I wanted, I didn't want hundreds of formats and things to slow it down.
that's it really.....
but as you say 500gb full of stuff will slow the searches ect, I would imagine this once anything gets past the 10,000 20,000 mark, really depends on the indexing ect, but there's lots on the pc that can change things slow things make things better its just a question of tweaking till happy.
if windows runs pants then anything we put on it runs pants, that's why I dedicated an old pc offline to test with, and just add to net to activate deactivate.
I only spent an hour or so on the pc, nothing major at all really, just tweaking, shelling ect ect. im no expert on the subject.
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the reason I ask noticed how fast your search was
very impressive fast but if at this time you using a 160gb then that's explains it vjb copes well with smaller drive collections
I have a 500gb with aprox 300gb mp3s and a small amount of video mp4 and my search results are like waiting for a bus aprox 15 to 20 secs
I do have vjb pro which I haven't used yet to try on a better pc when I get around to it
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Missed that what you using filename mode or hybrid
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tried both its simply cant cope with amount I have I've trimmed it back use to be 400gb its shame I like this program other juke software seem to cope well put various wish requests in but nothing happens
I cant really trim my collection much more besides the usual pop and oldies im a big soul music fan with a very large collection going back to the 50s to present time so that's not going to happen
so frustrating though
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tried both its simply cant cope with amount I have I've trimmed it back use to be 400gb its shame I like this program other juke software seem to cope well put various wish requests in but nothing happens
I cant really trim my collection much more besides the usual pop and oldies im a big soul music fan with a very large collection going back to the 50s to present time so that's not going to happen
so frustrating though
I understand, the frustration.
please give more details how many tracks, what format what file name mode, are you 100% drive is ok, would help me or ill guess ill find out the hard way. I don't really intend to go much larger than the 320 gb, and I did a test run with at least 200gb and worked fine, other than all the renaming but that was my file naming, and was a usb drive on different computer also
How many tracks it report ? I just added another 2000 so its now 4700, but still on 160gb drive at the min, I was using from usb drive which was 320gb, and I had no problems.
to be honest I looked at lots of other software, & well great if you wanted 1000s of options and well just this was the smoothest software I found and looks right, I may even do some skins, but to be honest im always doing things giving them away on the web & never really got much in rtn so I tend to , do it for myself, selfish of me doing my own work and keeping it lol.
More details please john. something to guide me.
ie what does the track manager report, have you tested to a certain number of track's or GB s before it slows, there must be a logic other than it prefers smaller drives.
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tested it with a moderate amount of files first and search is spoton but as I updated more the slower it got tried it on a few different drives even had it on a 180gb ssd was faster but no way near as fast as your demo vid
just maybe a nasty hidden file in one of my collections that's corrupts the search
I have these all tagged properly as I use other juke software also most say about 80% are 320kb
ive got my new project at the moment a set up in portrait mode this is going to look smart but not using vjb for this project it doesn't look very good in this mode
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I see
Well ill update how I get on but some no's would really help how many files it picking up.. does it get shuit down correcty or just powered off. im interested to know facts m8, as im struggling to find faults other than some tweaking atm. & I've been at it ages but not as long as you. no of tracks in the menu screen how many m8, 20,000 30,000. at what point did you start to notice. as im being extremely careful to test rename everything.
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ill get you some facts and figures tomorrow on my juke maybe you might see something ive missed its running on xp 64 at this time had it also on xp 32 and 7 32-64 with still same poor search results will get back to you later
just out of interest what amount of your drive you used so far
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Cheers m8
I've just moved my JBP folder to a 320gb 2.5 usb hdd, still works the same. I think about 100gb. about 1000 videos, 3000+ tracks. im now starting to dirty my setup just to see how much I can add to it. :( I best get typing them up I suppose :@)
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ok keep me updated see if everything is ok as you load up
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Bob, I wouldn't 'dirty' your music library just to see how much it will take to break your install, this is the wrong approach and one which John seems to have adopted.
Simply carry on as you are being careful to name and arrange your files properly and you will be just fine. :D
John, you just have way too much music for any jukebox (commercial or otherwise), the sheer volume of files will make searching impossible!, because even a simple search term will take so long that you would give up & it will return so many search results that you would need yet another search to search through the returned results!!.
Also, despite what you think your collection will be peppered with broken tags and corrupt files so my advice to you is to follow Bob's example, start with a 'vanilla' windows install and then build your music library again...
Go for quality not quantity!. ;D
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hmmmmmm
we will see
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Ahh Dirty means 2k to type up, I've checked other than that :)
Sorry maybe I mis understand dirty. I just cant bring myself to not put nice typed for the tags onto it, its a different gravy with the label's correct. even if it did start to stall at 10k id be happy with that any more will be a bonus ill start removing duplicates if any as well .
to be fair im sure it will be plenty big enough for me and my needs :) but I will update, as I see it as a challenge and ive put months of effort into mine .
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in the meantime im gonna put vjb pro on my laptop I do have a duplicate drive of my music collection im gonna go through them collection by collection and reinspect my albums and tags mp3s only not videos this will take sometime its not a high spec laptop 2gb memory 1.5ghz Celeron cpu so if I do well on this laptop it stands a better chance on my main system
I only have one theory left about the search speed on my collection is it that I use mini itx mobos don't use anything else for my juke projects however its the dual core atom cpu 1.8 ghz so maybe its these cpu's that cant cope with videojukebox
just a thought
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seems size does matter ;)
droped my collection down to 170gb a big improvement get results in about 4/5 seconds checked files and tags so far so good ;D
just formatting and gonna try mini xp will report back dudes :)
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I would say and I could be wrong here,
its kinda like media centre, ie a front end, a good one at that .
well mines pentuin d duo core, I wouldn't really use anything less, it flies on i5 test laptop, but im soon too take it off that
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got it working a lot better put not as fast as yours going to try it on a amd mobo 3gb mem and I think 3gb cpu
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Glad to hear it
a decent Intel chip and board is best m8 amd run too hot, that's what i think and have found, think just a plodder really nowadays something quad core 2 duo, should do the trick really,
I don't use amd or micros m8. I consider them dirty I like run for as many years as possible, or its a bus mans holiday I favour dell also, you would be surprised where you find there run and for what, but they do it fine day to day
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yes im a Intel man myself just trying to prove a point with this amd board
you can get a dell pc cheap on eBay which is what I might do when I Finnish experimenting
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Mee too
they just last longer but don't burn as bright. short term there fine longer term Intel all the way, even then these good and bad chips :(
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just tried a intel 478 3ghz mobo average search result about 4 secs just gonna try it on a 775 3ghz mobo wich im a fan of these cpu's
when you tagged your files did you do them artist-title or title-artist
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478 m8 don't bother no FSB and to be fair well dated not even entry level today.
775 should be fine, but you want a core 2 duo or pentuim d at least.
that's my view, it uses windows and windows resources to work.
I used win 7 turned off area theme and plain desktop, nothing much else is running on it other then video box and a few required services.
tagging, that's upto you. I went for top line the song bottom line the artist, I renamed and space tracks by hand checking them every album till I was happy. if that helps
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Chips and ram types make big differences along with the MB to.
get a get entry level board about 40 or 50 quid. add the core 2 chip and, well you will see yourself.
even good used cpu these days are only 15 quid, use old psu old ram if good ram, a decent new hdd & you should see results, it runs so fast on my laptops I5 ssd, with the same hdd for files external. all I can say m8 is the setup up matters, if its running could enough as a pc it will run vb.
a nice 8m quad would be batter than a 2m core 2 duo, even that's entry level nowdays, and some of the older cpus are better than newer ones, its not just a cast of 3.00 ghz ect ect.
hope that makes some sense,
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sorry I went for top line artist bottom line, song
I tried both ways and just preferred the look, there was no real reason I remember doing it,
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just to add confusion I did a bit of both as I was not 100% on what to do.
there's not to many to change it though, of my head im sure I done tracks one way and videos another, so when searched videos appear at the top first. I think.
your have got me at it all now, ill settle with the rest of the build challenge then move back onto the library, now im happy with result.
to be honest, me and a m8 started working on it all at the same time and & he went his way I mine, his was free but he's not happy & wants to scrap it, and use mine, which is fine but he has to pay. and everything he has done to his is no good for mine, I like the file search display name thing, id rather rename files than mp3 tags any day. he used tags, with filenames like 1 2 3 4 ect, and wanted the dl auto update route, for tagging ect, needless to say no industry standard to this either, so results vary.
hope that makes some sense & wish you all the best improving your speeds & search's
really its each to his own, I know what I want from it & its just a question of making it work rather than wanting a way around. if that makes any sense at all.
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well this is weird tested on a couple of p4 mobos with xp and got better but not perfect results
however retagging and sorting my files on my laptop which is Celeron 1.5 2gb mem with win7 and its almost perfect the only thing I can come up with is ill try win7 got a slimed down version somewhere will get back to you
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Sure I have some really good handy p4s still :)
But in the long run.
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looks like ive done it
used xp performance 32 and half my hd to 250gb
only have about 20gb to test it with but search now instant
see how it goes as I upload more albums
used a hp system 2gb mem dual 1.8ghz cpu
sorry bry steve for moaning guess quality not quantity is the answer ill be more careful with the albums I decide on and reduce duplicates got some work on here dudes ;D
and thanks bob for your inspiration and advise with your video upload ;)
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:) 7 with a quad a good one is :) 8) 8) 8) I fell in love with the gui and I work around most things :)
glad to hear you happy now slowly load :0 at least it may reveal something at that point, but to be honest I cant really see any limits to it. fingers crossed :)
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it will be a while before I report back got a few jukeboxes to build and repair between now and xmas so have to shelve project for a couple of weeks